Hi group, I brought home a cherry tree branch and an apple tree branch home from my parents' backyard. Are they safe for parrots? How can I prep them so Muffin can happily gnaw on them? My parents don't use pesticides and none of their neighbours do either. Thanks!

I just came across these great Dos and Don'ts for if your bird bites you. Thought I'd share. :)

In case anyone's reading on a Monday night and can get me their thoughts quickly...

I made the mistake of microwaving a wooden item and it heated enough to smoke significantly but not actually catch on fire. Currently all windows in the kitchen are open (as are many others in the house) and I have a fan drawing air out from the kitchen to the outside. The bird room is adjacent to the kitchen: I have the door closed, window open, and a fan pulling air from outside into the room. (The intent of the fans is to have a bit of positive pressure pulling air from the bird room to the kitchen.)

I expect that it will take overnight for the last of the smoke to air out of the kitchen. My question is: is it better to keep the bird room windows open and fan going overnight, or to shut the windows and run a HEPA filter in the room overnight, or even keep the windows open and run the HEPA filter?

x-posted

Anyone on the East Coast US making or made any pet-specific hurricane prep? I live 100 miles inland, so I let my boyfriend convince me not to worry on my own behalf, but I decided to continue worrying on Kappa's behalf - if things did get bad here, I could always stop in to shelters for supplies for myself, but I couldn't bring Kappa.

I have an emergency kit (which desperately needs updating) and a sturdy travel carrier, and I decided to fill a few bottles with tap water now just in case we lose later. When the storm gets closer I can take some non-perishable pellets out of the freezer in case we lose power and I can feed Kappa only pellets until the power comes back. I'll leave the perishable pellets (both TOP and Harrison's are organic) and veggie mix in the freezer.

Anything else I should do to prep for Kappa?

I was just asked about what I give Kappa for a veggie mix, so I thought I would update this old PL post of mine with what I'm now doing and repost it here.

First off the background. Kappa is a 4 year-old dusky conure. She was weaned onto pellets and veggies, and her diet right now is approximately half each (by volume). She is very open to new foods and enjoys variety. She gets a reasonable amount of exercise - she is fully flighted and when she is out of the cage she occasionally flies to different rooms when her people move rooms, or just when she gets bored where she was.

Kappa's pellet mix is many different brands, including Roudybush, Zupreem, Higgins, TOP, and Harrison's. She also gets a small amount of treats, which rotates between almonds in the shell, millet spray, Nutriberries, and dried fruit. I often put some or all of this dry mix into foraging toys, which she enjoys greatly.

I prepare Kappa's veggie mix ahead of time, sometimes as frequently as once a month, sometimes as far apart as every three months, depending on quantities that I buy and how much space I have in the freezer. It takes a whole afternoon to prepare, but I don't have to sit and watch it the entire time. I pack it in multiple plastic containers and defrost a few days worth at a time in the fridge. I serve it to Kappa cold each morning, and I give her a small enough quantity that she can usually eat it in one sitting so I can leave the dish in her cage when I go to work.

Below the cut is more details on the veggie mix, both recipe and photos. Quantities are not exact in my recipe, since I usually eyeball things anyway, and I vary it each time. Everything is organic. My current mix is the result of recommendations from Kappa's breeder/boarder/local parrot store, from her avian certified vet, and from a friend of mine who has worked with educational birds.

Part 1: Grains and Beans

This part I prepare separately since each thing should be cooked. Ingredients include chickpeas (also called garbanzo beans), kidney beans, lima beans, maybe another type of beans, brown rice, whole oats or whole wheat, whole grain pasta. I eyeball 0.5-1 cups (dry) of each. Cook everything in just enough water (so that you don't lose a lot of nutrients to the water that you dump). Freeze most of it, using some in each batch of veggies for the next few months.

Photo of frozen grains/beans mix:



Part 2: The Veggies

Ingredients:
* Broccoli (3-4 stems, include stem and florets)
* Two varieties of leafy greens (such as kale, dandelion greens, bok choi, carrot tops, I try to avoid spinach, I try to have at least one be a "dark leafy green")
* 1 yellow zucchini/squash
* 1 green zucchini/squash
* 1-2 peppers (at least one not green for color variety, can substitute a batch of hot peppers)
* 1-2 apples or pears (remove stem/core/seeds)
* Carrots, corn, and/or peas (sometimes frozen, sometimes fresh, depending on what's available)
* At least one other veggie for variety (ex: sprouts, alfalfa, dried fruit, string beans)
* Alternate times I include 1-5 hard boiled eggs, yolks removed, shells kept

Chop everything into 1" cubes or smaller (some people use a food processor for this part). Keep around 1/3-1/2 (by volume) raw (except the egg). The remaining 1/2-2/3 cook in just enough water (again, so that you don't lose a lot of nutrients to the water that you dump).

Mix cooked and raw veggies. Mix veggies with thawed grains/beans, approximately 1/5 grains/beans and 4/5 veggies. I add a few supplements, most frequently spirulina (for protein), red palm fruit oil (brand: Sunshine factor), other supplement (brand: Pretty Bird/Natural Gold supplement for birds), all roughly as directed. Mix. Pack into small tupperwares. Freeze. Thaw as needed.

Photo of final veggie mix:



Pellet Mix

Kappa also gets a pellet mix, I mix a number of brands together, add a bit of dried fruit, and some treats. Most treats get hidden in foraging toys rather than left out for her. She gets roughly equal volume of pellets and veggies, and actually eats about twice the volume of veggies as pellets (since pellets can stay out a bit longer than veggies due to being dry, I haven't reduced the volume of pellets).

Photo of pellet mix:



Photo spam!
And just to reward you for sticking with me for all this, a few photos of Kappa helping me repack some of her veggie mix.


Ooh, this looks like it could be good...


A delicate bouquet of corn, with an aftertaste of corn.


I'm ready for my close-up!


I hope this helps!

Currently for Kappa's veggie mix I chop all the ingredients, cook half of them, add supplements, freeze it all, and give her the appropriate amount daily. Feeding fresh veggies daily is not an option for me due to things such as my personal schedule and how long veggies can keep before it goes bad. I cook half and leave half uncooked (though all gets frozen) with the thought that cooking or not cooking will change the nutritional value, so I want variety.

I'm starting to think about canning instead of freezing, and I'm curious if anyone has experience with canning bird veggies (or canning in general) and what you think of it.

My understanding of canning is that you have to heat all the contents to a temperature high enough to kill all sorts of germs. For non-acidic foods, which includes most of what we feed birds, this has to be higher than water can boil, so you need to use a pressure cooker as part of the process. You then seal the containers with the special canning lids, let them cool to room temperature, and then since everything is sterilized it can keep for months or years.

My questions include...

1. Can I use my mother's old pressure cooker?


2. Is there any way to know if everything is successful other than seeing if anything grows in the canned jars or seeing if Kappa gets sick?


3. If I cook everything, will this destroy the nutritional value of it? I may be able to supplement with fresh veggies for a few days once a month, but not more than that.


4. Got any good resources on canning (preferably online) that you would like to share?

Thanks! :)

Just out of curiosity how do you feel about corn being the first ingredient in all the major pellet brands?

I'm sad this community hasn't seen much action lately, so here's a post about Kappa!

Kappa (dusky conure) is now 4 years old, of which I've had her for 3 of them (I got her in April 2008, she was hatched in April 2007). Since I've gotten her she's been fully flighted for nearly all of that time - she's occasionally clipped when I board her for more than a week and she gets in trouble with the other birds at the boarder's, but at this point she flies so well even when clipped that it doesn't really stop her. I'm so proud! We (Kappa, my partner, and I) live in a large 2-BR apartment. When I'm home for the day Kappa freely flies between the second bedroom (which we use as a home office and bird room) and a playstand hanging between the dining room and living room. Sometimes she also flies to the bathroom.

This summer she's been getting a bit more bold about exploring, for example when I'm on the couch she sometimes starts walking along the back of the couch - and attempting to chew holes in the couch cover, of course!

And just so it's not all boring pictures, here's a shot of her exploring the bathroom. :)

An awesome parrot store near me is bringing Dr. Susan G. Friedman, PhD, for a one-day seminar called Behavior Works: A Course in Applied Behavior Analysis for People and Parrots.

The seminar will teach attendees:
The fundamental science of learning and behavior.
To understand and predict parrot behavior.
Methods to prevent and change problem behaviors.
To begin behavior change plans in the most effective and positive way.

Date and Time: Saturday, June 11th, 2011, from 9:00am - 5:30pm
Location: Tucker's Restaurant Banquet Hall, 625 College Highway, Southwick, MA
Cost: $65.00 per person (includes breakfast and lunch)

The seminar is sponsored by The Parrot and Bird Emporium. Call 413-569-5555 to register.

Dr. Friedman's bio:

Susan G. Friedman, Ph.D., is a faculty member in the Department of Psychology at Utah State University. She has pioneered applying to animals the same humane philosophy and scientifically sound teaching technology that has been so effective with human learners, known as Applied Behavior Analysis. Susan teaches two Internet-based courses, Living and Learning with Animals for professionals, and Living and Learning with Parrots for caregivers. Students from 23 different countries have attended her courses, so far. She has written chapters in three veterinary texts; and her popular magazine articles have been translated into 9 languages (see http://www.behaviorworks.org). Susan also blogs for Psychology Today (see http://www.psychologytoday.com).

Susan has given seminars on learning around the world, including Australia, Botswana, Canada, England, Holland, Ireland, Israel, France, New Zealand, and Sweden. She has presented at a wide variety of conferences, including the Association of Avian Veterinarians, the European Association of Zoos and Aquaria, the American Federation of Aviculturists, and has taught at Moorpark College's Exotic Animal Training and Management program and NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Colloquium. Susan was a core member of the US Fish and Wildlife Condor Recovery Team and has been nominated for the Media Award given by the International Association of Behavior Analysis, for disseminating the essential tools people need to empower and enrich the lives of all learners.

(x-posted to parrot_lovers and parrots101)

My parrots LOVE peanut butter! In this pic I've tricked them into eating veggies they don't love by slicing them and making "peanut butter sandwiches" with veggie "bread." Om nom nom!

Hi parrot people! I've been thinking that it would be fun to have a "theme of the week" where everyone could post photos of their parrots that fit the theme. Would you guys participate?

Let's try it! This week's theme, in honor of Valentine's Day, is "Something Your Parrot Loves."

This sounds weird, but it seems to work. Yesterday we went to the SPCA and adopted a budgie (more on that later). The man who helped us was very knowledgeable about birds and I mentioned that I was trying to turn Muffin onto pellets. Our vet recommended Harrison's or Zupreem, so I thought I would try Zupreem first. Muffin wasn't showing any interest in the pellets at all despite mixing up the amounts or putting it in a treat cup. The counsellor suggested putting the pellets on a towel and snapping them in half with a fingernail.

I tried it last night and this morning, taking a pellet and then breaking it up with one big snap and lo and behold, Muffin ate them both. I thought the first time was just a fluke :-D

Hi group, we were thinking of getting a budgie. I miss their busy little natures and chatter, and we were thinking one would be company for Muffin.At his previous home, he did have a budgie companion for a while, but it might have been a while ago.

We still have Jill's old cage, so quarantining would not be a problem. Muffin lives in an EFC and it would be my hope that a budgie could live in the same cage with him. If not, again, not a problem. I was wondering if there were any cautions about budgies and tiels living together. My co-worker's budgie and tiel live together quite peacefully. Muffin is male, and 7-8 years old. Should I get a male budgie? Any other advice?

In case you're interested, CNN has a nice article listing the "dirty dozen" fruits and vegetables that tend to retain more pesticides due to their skin texture (and therefore you definitely should buy organic if you're going to give them to your beebs), and the "clean fifteen" that don't retain as much pesticide (and therefore you are more likely to get away with not buying organic - though note that you shouldn't feed a parrot avocado and reports are mixed on onions).

X-posted to parrot_lovers

It's rumorofrain who usually does the Friday Five, but I had two questions occur to me recently so I figured I'd post them.

1) How has having a parrot(s) changed your relationships with the humans in your life?

2) How does your bird(s) react to their reflection in a mirror? Does s/he attack it, try to preen it, show off for it like a rival or a mate, or ignore it entirely? Does your bird(s) react the same way when meeting a new bird (like at the boarder's, the vet's, or when you've brought a new bird home in the past)?

If you clip your bird's nails earlier in the day, or if the boarder uses a dremel on her nails, and you/they hit the quick and need to use styptic powder or something else to stop the bleeding, don't take your bird in the shower with you an hour or two later. If you do take her in the shower with you, you'll get to test out your response time to a bleeding emergency.

So I saw that the boarder needed to use styptic powder on Kappa's nails, and then I forgot about it. Since I'd been away for a bit I figured I'd take Kappa in the shower with me when we got home for some bonding time. Just when I got my hair full of conditioner, I realized the curtain was bloody, Kappa's shower perch was bloody, and there was more blood coming from Kappa, and I don't even know where it's coming from. I turned off the water, ran to the bathroom door and yelled for my boyfriend. "T$! I need your help! Kappa's bleeding! Bring the emergency kit, it's under her cage!" Very soon he runs in with the kit while I'm trying to restrain Kappa, dripping water all over the floor, she keeps squirming out of my hand and the towel as I fumble to find the Q-tips and styptic powder, but with a little help from T$ I manage to get out a Q-tip and it takes a few dabs and a couple Q-tips to get enough styptic powder on her foot for the nail to stop bleeding. Once I think she's okay, I have Kappa step from one hand to the other so I can check if she's still bleeding, and once I'm convinced she isn't I ask T$ to take her back to her cage so I can quickly finish my shower. Before he does so, he asks if there was a lot of blood, and I move aside the curtain to show the entire 5" perch covered with blood, and a streak on the wall from where it was touching the curtain that was around 4" long.

After I rinsed off I checked on Kappa again, and she seems okay, though favoring that foot. I'm surprised she doesn't want any water after that much blood loss, it may very well be that it was less than it looked b/c the water was spreading it out. Kappa gladly took an almond sliver and she's behaving normally, not groggy or anything other than keeping her weight off that foot.

The lessons I've learned from this are (1) don't shower with Kappa if I or the boarder hit the quick earlier in the same day. (2) I'm so glad I live with my boyfriend and not a non-romantic roommate! We live on the first floor and my curtains are thin, so even had I lived alone I would've balked at streaking across the house to get the emergency kit, so it could've taken longer for me to respond if I'd had to wrap myself in a towel. I'm not sure there's a good solution to that part of the problem other than losing my modesty, but at least things worked well this time. (3) Maybe I should've just shoved her entire foot into the styptic powder, but then again I worry about contamination of the styptic powder if I did that - would I have to throw it all out? Should I just get styptic sticks? And (4) I asked T$ afterwards if he was able to get to the emergency kit easily - it was under her cage, but far in the back behind things I use more frequently. On his recommendation I've moved it to a shelf next to her cage instead.

Hello, long time no talk! Life has been fun and interesting. My birds are all doing fine. Jackjack my Amazon is stellar. Sadie, my Blue and Gold, after her regular vet visit needs to trim a few grams. Shes still in the 'healthy' weight range, but she likes her nutri berries too much. :p Tiels are forever happy and content. :3

Now... Onward to news that I can use some advice/help on. Now, bare in mind I work as a Parrot Handler and never take a bird situation lightly, which is why I'm even torn typing this, but let's press on. About eleven months ago I rescued a baby blue and gold macaw. She was around four months old and the people I got her from had stopped hanfeeding her (saying she's done.) and ket her in essentially a chicken coop with a pail (that you use to mkae sand castles) as her water bowl, and her perches where pvc...things... and her 'toys' where strung together by a car bungie. Needless to say I spent the money I didn't have and bought this bird from them. Handfed her for another three months till she was 'properly' weaned. Took her to the vet, she was underweight and malnurished. Even her 'mussy baby feathers' (as I call most fledging feathers) looked horrible.

Needless to say she's doing better, but we still have a few issues. Some I fully admit it's my 'neglegance' and others are developmental issues from not being properly handled early on I believe.

We're still having 'step-up' issues. I've trained upward to fifty birds to step up and I've never had an issue. Rosie, she just dosen't get it. She dosne't bite, but shyies from the hand when by her feet. She's alwasy done this, and it's my neglegance by not working more with her on it, thinking she'd kind of grow out of it. So yes, my fault completly. I do operant conditioning on all my animals and 'eventually' she'll get up on the arm when coaxed enough, but even daily repition, it's like starting from scratch. I've tried other approaches, but I feel flabberghuasted she dosen't respond. So I feel I'm failing her there.

And not only that baths... baths are an....experience.... She never liked them. But her first owner put her in an dog crate and sprayed a hose on her. Yeah, you can see where I'm going with this. Misting is out of the question, since squirt bottles where also used on her. Showers, I can't do here without freaking her out. I live in a small place with a stand up shower and she dosne't like inclosed places, even me going in with her dosne't help and even letting her in the bathroom to get the mositure is an ordeal. I've been taking it slow, even tried runnign sink water and a 'bird bath' at the bottom of her cage.

I guess what I'm getting at is she has issues I don't feel I'm addressing, even knowing what I do. I feel honestly, that if it was just her and I, she'd be alot further along, but I can't and refuse to neglect my other animals. She defintly gets the most time, but I still don't feel it's enough.

I'm to the point and it breaks my heart to say this that I'm contemplating on rehoming her. I swore to myself I wouldn't give up on her. And I'm not giving up on her, but I'm not blind and I feel she'd do better with a home where she was either the main bird or a home where she could get the time she deserves. I haven't convinced myself, nor will I let her go to just anyone. But I feel I should entertain the idea and see/hope someone will respond that might be her perfect suited home. If someone has any ideas on how I should continue or even feel they might be candidates let me know.

I'm just not sure how I should continue.

My two caique parrots have been wearing their Aviator harnesses for about three years. They don't love the process of having the harnesses put on them, but they don't actively fight it either. For a while now I've been wanting to change that, to make it a happier experience for them. Lately I actually set about making a training plan and putting it into action.

In the past I'd started this process by encouraging them to approach and beak-target the harness voluntarily. This was to combat their behavior of flying away upon seeing the harnesses.

The next step of training was to get them very comfortable with the head loop. To do this, I started out by making a large loop out of the harness material and shaping the behavior of putting their heads through the loop.

Once they were comfortable with that, I gradually made the loop smaller and smaller until I could transition to using the actual head loop of the harness, which is very small (especially for a big, bulky caique head!).

Within five days, I had both birds (who had previously flown away from the harness, and occasionally bitten my partner when he tried to harness them) voluntarily seeking out the harness, finding the head loop, and putting their own heads through it! I was shocked at the rate of progress we made.

To illustrate the process, I made a video of some of my training steps:



(x-posted to parrots101, caiques, and clickertraining)

1. What is your parrot afraid of?

2. Can you think of any reasons (genetic/biological, negative associations, etc) for your parrot's fears?

3. Have you done anything to help your parrot overcome his or her fears? If so, what? If not, why not?

4. Is there anything you expected your parrot to be afraid of that he or she is not?

5. If your parrot was a famous monster, which one would he or she be?

It's getting warm again and here in Texas we are already getting some balmy 70-degree days. We have allowed our Conure, Phoenix, to grow out her flight feathers. Obviously this means no fans. So to keep A/C costs down I'd like to utilize the windows for fresh air and to hopefully cool down the house some. However, I've heard my fair share of stories of birds getting out of open windows.

Should I reinforce them somehow to keep her from getting out or forget about opening them altogether? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance!

1. Have you ever traveled with your bird? Why or why not? If so, how long was the trip? Was it by car, airplane, or another type of transportation?

2. How did you prepare for travel with your bird?

3. How did your bird do during travel? What was her/his behavior like?

4. Did you learn anything from the experience? Is there anything you wish you'd known beforehand?

5. If you could take your parrot(s) on a trip (and money was no object, and parrots were allowed there), where would you take your bird(s)?

Some of you know me as "eterri" but for those not familiar with me or what's going on, a brief synopsis: 

Nearly two years ago, I had to give up all of my pets (several birds included) due to my husband deciding on a whim that he wanted to "live for himself" leaving me with very little time to get things together, hardly any money, and no place to live.  Thanks to some amazing people (from this community, even) they were taken to safe places and well taken care of. But I never saw them again and all my efforts to get them back have failed. It was hard enough getting my own life back on track, let alone trying to quickly put together a home and situation that allowed birds again. It was only six months ago that I finally found a better paying job and a living situation to support myself and not long after that happened, I emailed Pika and Pixel's foster to see if it might be possible to get them home.

It turns out that she has been having very serious health issues and either way, she cannot keep them. I know that they will be ok no matter what (she has gone above and beyond for them all this time) and if they don't come home they will be going to a reputable rescue, but I would much rather just have them home, obviously. :( I've said goodbye to so many things the past couple of years that it would be nice to finally see these two again. I had these two the longest out of my entire flock. If you guys remember, they were two of the original "P" birds. :) 

These two have to stay together and are bonded in a crazy way, as you can see from an old video below.

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Trip Details: 
They are being fostered in Richmond, VA. This trip must be made the first weekend in February and so far it looks like this (I apologize that I don't have time/distance details yet but this is all tentative):

Richmond, VA to Charlottesville, VA:  filled

Charlottesville, VA to Lewisport, WV:  NEEDED!!!

Lewisport, WV to Charleston, WV: most likely filled

Charleston, WV to Grayson, KY: most likely filled

This is NOT set in stone so if you're anywhere near these areas and could help if the route were changed a bit, please let me know.  I am located in Owensboro, KY and will be doing the Grayson to Owensboro leg but if need be I can try to drive farther. It's the first part of the trip that I'm most worried about and if we can get that little part to come together, Pika and Pixel WILL be coming home.

Please share this with anyone you know who might be able to help. As mentioned, there isn't a lot of time left to get this together and we are SO CLOSE to making this happen. If you can help in any way please try. I can't put to words how much it would mean to me to FINALLY have some of what I consider my family back. 

1. Do you believe that keeping parrots in same-species or similar-species pairs or groups is important for a parrot's mental health? Why or why not?

2. Have you ever kept a pair or group of same-species or similar-species parrots? If so, for how long? How did it work out?

3. What factors would convince you to house a pair or group of parrots together?

4. What factors would convince you NOT to house a pair or group of parrots together?

5. Do you think parrots of different species can be safely kept together? Would you feel comfortable doing so, and in what circumstances? Why or why not?

Happy New Year to everyone who uses the Gregorian calendar!

Flighted vs. Clipped:

1. Are your parrots flighted, or clipped?

2. If flighted, has your bird ever been clipped? If clipped, has your bird ever been flighted? If so, was your bird's behavior or "personality" different?

3. Do you think it's safer to keep a bird clipped than flighted? Why or why not?

4. Some people think flight is essential for a parrot's physical and mental health. Do you agree or disagree with this statement? Why?

5. If your bird is flighted, is there anything that would convince you to clip her/him? If your bird is clipped, is there anything that would convince you to grow out her/his wings?

the following posting is a craigslist ad i have been posting for the pst 5 months in San diego CA. I worked at Our Feathered Friends a local parrot store, and witnessed neglect, abuse, and many deaths of parrots. The owners, do not care about these animals, and only care about the money they earn. I have reported to the humane society with little reaction, please read more: I worked at our feathered Friends for a short 3 months. I was happy at first and believed that I was working at the best bird store in San Diego,  but as my training went by I witnessed disgusting, cruel, negligent and inhumane acts. I had been informed by the owners and other employees to relocate sick and injured birds to the upstairs holding room, this room is not supposed to be shown to the public, and inst even mentioned to the public. I personally saw at least 10 birds die in this room, none of them had seen a vet, and were being given DOXYCYCLINE HYDROCHLORIDE mixed in their water. These birds were and are still being kept, just down the hall of where customers board their birds.

All of this became too much to take when I discovered a dead Jenday conure, in the break room freezer, and learned that the owner had taken it in from a tenant of her building who had found it near their house the bird was left in the holding room for at least a week. The same day I found the Jenday the coworkers were talking about an Umbrella cockatoo upstairs that was injured with a broken leg, Sharron (the owner of the store) claimed she would have a vet come in and check on it, two days of work went by, and i never saw a single vet come into the building, Employees had informed me that the problem wasn't that serious. I attempted to communicate with Sharron Petrarca, the owner my concern for these animals, but she was hardly ever there, and and when she was she was always too busy to talk. I had to do something to stop this from happening, so I called the humane society and a few other people who could help. I sent some pictures I began taking with my cell phone while I was alone in the holding room and break room. i sent the officer an email including what was going on along with some pictures i took. 1 Week later the humane society came to investigate, the officer did not look in the freezer where the dead bird was still at. The officer claimed they wanted to protect my confidentiality. During the investigation of the store the officer pointed out a few things that were not compliant with current regulations, including: A sick Indian Ringneck that wouldn't even eat or drink, and a cockatiel cage that was extremely over crowded, Im talking about at least 12 cockatiels in a 14' x 14' cage. the Ringneck was brought upstairs into the holding room, because Sharron (the owner) did not answer the phone.  A few hours later the parrot died. the cockatiels were never moved from what I saw.

These are the pictures I took once again for those who have not seen them. http://picasaweb.google.com/DarrellHolbrooks/OurFeatheredFriends?feat=directlink

this is the stores website: http://www.ourfeatheredfriends.com/

On December 15th 2009 I received information that nothing in either of the owners stores have changed.I feel that San Diego is not hearing my voice, please help me save the animals, which are still alive before it is too late. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to contact me Darrellholbrooks@gmail.com